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I don't see how anyone could consider a simple basic common-source MOSFET amplifier with a poorly designed gain control something that is worth keeping a secret. Unless of course, he's concerned that people would refuse to pay over $200 for so cheap and juvenile of a product. Anyone could easily sell the exact same product for half that price and still make plenty of profit on it.

I still plan on visiting and contributing to the other forum when it's back up, but I guess we'll see......

Maybe Zacky was just unable to trace this hidden secret correctly?

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Zitat von modman

Glad to see so many familiar people here. MarkM! Nothing is ever going to stop you from stompboxing

Thanks!!
You as well!

Zitat von modman

With a 15V organ distortion preamp schematic based on russion minitubes at hand, I once asked - did anybody ever tried to build a guitar distortion box with them, he answered.

"zachary vex
Posts: 938
Re: Russian mini tubes
« Reply #29 on: November 28, 2006, 03:20:02 PM »
submini tubes aren't good for anything!

8^P"

some months later his pimpamp or whatsitcalled came out...

Interesting indeed.
Note if you go to Headwise.com there is a DIY headphone amp that strongly resembles the SHO circuit.
I wonder which was first?

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the one that has never sinned may throw the first stone!

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Hello Everyone,

Just to let you know that Aron's went down due to server difficulties (e.g. spilled beer on the server). They are trying to repair things. At worst the forum will be restored from a backup. Just give Aron and his ISP some time. The forum is not going anywhere. Aron's forum has "stomped" quite a few ISPs over the years. I hope we haven't done it again.

As for the restricted schematic rule when you get down to the bottom line it is a respect thing. You can either respect someone's wishes or not. You decided your own morality so the choice is yours if you are going to respect someone's wishes. It shows alot of what one's character is by how they treat others.

I do not agree with everything Mr. Vex has said and done but I will still respect his wishes. That is my choice. Judge me as you will.

BTW, Nice place you guys got here. Finally decided to join up. Now where's that Vanishing Point thread ?

Your Tone God,

Andrew

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Hi Andrew
Thanks for the clarification :), and welcome here - your invaluable shared knowledge has and will enrich us all
regards
Steve

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Yes, I respect ZVex's wishes as well. If he doesn't want stuff on Aron's forum, then fine with me - though I think his motivations are totally lame. Practically every effect diy person has built a Fuzz Face, but that hasn't stopped Dunlop from selling their reissues, because it comes down to the fact that diy folks are a minority in the music community and always will be. It doesn't matter if every single diy guitarist in the world built a Fuzz Factory or SHO, ZVex would still be selling them successfully. I think he's unnecessarily insecure, and his bullying of other builders only hurts his reputation as a businessman, and ultimately that could hurt his business far more than people building copies of his silly boxes. This whole mess is foolish.

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Hi guys! ;D

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Sousonic - I could not have said it better - I agree 100% with your observations

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Ack! The diystompboxes site won't come up at all now - nothing there. I hope the problems get repaired soon.......... I really want to show off my entry for the competition.

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Zitat von The Tone God

Now where's that Vanishing Point thread ?

dammit, I knew something was missing ;D

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Zitat von soulsonic

... and his bullying of other builders only hurts his reputation as a businessman, and ultimately that could hurt his business far more than people building copies of his silly boxes. This whole mess is foolish.

I think your asolutely right. A real professional businessman would not complain about some people trying to copy some of his stompboxes for their own use. He would try to enhance the job he does.

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Thanks for the warm welcome everyone.

I'm not in contact with Aron right now but I would guess he's restoring the database which is quite large and will take a some time to transfer. All I can offer is patience.

soulsonic: I can't wait to see your entry as well. I'm quite happy with mine, actually I'm surprised I was able to do it. A few other people seem excited too. I do think Aron will have things sorted out in time. If not I will extend things due to the current situation just to make sure everyone gets in.

As for Mr. Vex's motivations I don't think it is anything other then he is trying to play it safe to protect his IP and business any and every way he can. If you had a business I'm sure you would do the same too. I do not blame him for his concern. Up to this point all previous Internet history seems to show that the sharing of information publicly will result in people abusing the information.

At Aron's there is an attempt to create an environment that balances the interests and concerns of both commercial and non-commercial members so that they may co-exist. Part of that attempt involves respecting the requests of others in the restriction of some information. While yes we do not allow some builders schematics to be posted we do allow threads on those effects to discuss the technology and possibly figure out our own ways of implimenting those ideas. Sometimes the builder themselves adds to the converstaion which Mr. Vex has done on several occassions when he could have left everyone guessing. That actually makes him kind of a cool exception from other builders and in that alone it makes him worth the protection he requests.

Schematics alone tend to only be useful for copying a circuit. When it comes to learning, which is what DIY is very much about, the usefullness of a schematic becomes much less so is it really that much of a restriction to not have the schematic available for the discussion to take place ? I don't think so.

I think I can safely say that I am the author of atleast two of the most popular circuits used to create Zvex work-a-likes, Vanishing Point and Payback. Yet I still champion his privilage to protect his work. How can that be ? It seems to be a conflict on the surface but if you look closer at the distinctions it makes sense. The major distinction is that I was able to create those designs without the need of any reverse engineered information of Zvex effects including schematics. So once again I question the real need and usefulness of a schematic when it comes to learning.

Zitat von Tümmüh

dammit, I knew something was missing ;D

;D

So what do you guys do for fun around here ? Please don't make me go to HC.

Andrew

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Just letting people know that Aron's forum is back up! Yay!

Andrew

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For me, schematics have always caused me to ask the question, "How does that work?", which then leads me to do the necessary research to actually find out how it does work, and along the way I usually end up learning much more.

The most recent example would be when I saw the schematic on the SLOClone forum for the OD3 channel switching circuit. I looked at it and wondered how it worked. As a result, I have now (finally!) learned the basics of digital logic circuits and have used that knowledge to redesign/expand/improve the original circuit I found, as well as come up with a pile of other logic controlled switching circuits.

I not only ask, "How does this work?" but I also ask, "How can this be improved?". This attitude has led to many innovations both by myself and others. One of the whole points of engineering is to try and find better ways to do things. It's hard to get the inspiration for improvements without first studying other people's "mistakes". Therefore, I believe schematics can be an invaluable learning tool - it's just sad to see so many people carelessly copying existing designs without questioning whether it's a quality design or not. That's why folks like bajaman, analogguru, and I have taken a keen interest in circuits like the SHO, to see whether it can be improved from it's original design. The attitude of "good enough" is lazy and at worst, shameful. This sort of attitude has become so pervasive in American industry that it has crippled much of our ability for evolution and innovation. If American industry is to compete globally, this attitude must change.

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Zitat von soulsonic

For me, schematics have always caused me to ask the question, "How does that work?", which then leads me to do the necessary research to actually find out how it does work, and along the way I usually end up learning much more.

The most recent example would be when I saw the schematic on the SLOClone forum for the OD3 channel switching circuit. I looked at it and wondered how it worked. As a result, I have now (finally!) learned the basics of digital logic circuits and have used that knowledge to redesign/expand/improve the original circuit I found, as well as come up with a pile of other logic controlled switching circuits.

I not only ask, "How does this work?" but I also ask, "How can this be improved?". This attitude has led to many innovations both by myself and others. One of the whole points of engineering is to try and find better ways to do things. It's hard to get the inspiration for improvements without first studying other people's "mistakes". Therefore, I believe schematics can be an invaluable learning tool - it's just sad to see so many people carelessly copying existing designs without questioning whether it's a quality design or not. That's why folks like bajaman, analogguru, and I have taken a keen interest in circuits like the SHO, to see whether it can be improved from it's original design. The attitude of "good enough" is lazy and at worst, shameful. This sort of attitude has become so pervasive in American industry that it has crippled much of our ability for evolution and innovation. If American industry is to compete globally, this attitude must change.

Keeps your opinion for you ,, no member iclude me,,also asked you

regards Uwe

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PEACE

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Sorry if I was offensive, I did not intend to be.

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Sorry if I was offensive, I did not intend to be.

Yes, a bit, but if you would have put aside those words like "careless", "lazy" and "shameful" your statement was quite ok - and hit the mark. jm2c

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I apologize for my choice of words. Quality electronics is a subject I am very passionate about. Many of my opinions come from personal experience with American engineers who ARE "careless, lazy, and shameful". I did not intend to say that DIY builders are "lazy and shameful" - I was talking about professional engineers in American industry. Of course not all of our engineers are like this, but there are enough to create many problems for us. America is a Capitalist monster - the quality of a man's work has no value in America. It makes me very angry and sad.

I do not want to start arguments, but I was born a trouble-maker.